Watch this clip of Alex Jones talking about the New World Order depopulation agenda on Jesse Ventura's TV show Conspiracy Theory, then tell me if that isn't the hokiest piece of television you've seen in a long time. Jones is described as Ventura's "source". They meet "privately" in a bar, surrounded by a film crew. Jones lays out an abridged version of his theory that They - represented in this particular show by the Bilderberg Group - want to kill 80% of us (I guess 99% was too scary even for a cable channel), without giving a single source for his information. Ventura pretends he's hearing all this for the first time. Then, rather than asking any hardball questions about this stuff, he says, "So it's like The Godfather?".
Conspiracy Theory airs on TruTV, formerly Court TV. Instead of getting trial coverage and recaps of famous trials, we're now getting conspiracy theories from professional paranoids. Yet Jones complains on the show that They control our culture and our media for Their own ends?
By the way, TruTV is owned by Turner Broadcasting (a subsidiary of Time Warner). Jones has identified Ted Turner as one of the "eugenicists" who want to kill us all. But then, in Jones' world, every liberal wants to do that: During his February '09 interview of Dr. Stanley Monteith, Jones told his audience that if you take any liberal aside and mention Margaret Sanger or Madame Blavatsky to him, the liberal will snarl, "That's right, you sonofabitch, and we're gonna get you too. We've gotta exterminate the blacks and the Mexicans."
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Jones doesn't like the episode. Time Warner messed it up, and Jones asks why its even being aired. In a way, Jones is agreeing with you.
http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/09_Global/090813.depopulation.html
Questionable quotes, most of them. When and where did Kissinger say those things? And Pianka was talking about a natural epidemic.
I think we do need to get rid of some of the population. Most of the walmart shoppers need to go..
I see nothing wrong with the eugenics laws many states passed about 80 years ago. society needs to get rid of its defectives.
Those quotes that have been around awhile- this is the first time Ive ever seen anyone question them, in bulk. Ive lived with these for a long time, they've never been challenged before,that I know of. However, they still ought to be looked up to see where/when.
They are in character with the characters speaking.
JV's show is pitiful. It's as dry as sand, and never bad enough to be funny. At least Alex can be hilarious if you don't take him seriously. I'd have thought that Jesse, a professional entertainer, would have known the #1 rule of TV: Don't be boring.
On a somewhat related note, have you ever read the comments sections at Jones's site(s)? It's very disturbing: a weird amalgamation of racists, religious fanatics, and people who are so anti-Semitic they'd make Stormfront look like the ACLU. You'd think Alex wouldn't want the general public to see what his audience is really like.
alex jones is a piece of well-marketed shit with a god complex
Russell- its not really JV's show- its Time Warners, and they took charge of this episode bigtime.
also, youre full of baloney on the Infowars comments stuff- it is very rare for a full blown racial comment to pop up there. When it happens , its trolls /Feds etc.
Jones frequently speaks out against racism...almost to a fault, according to those who dislike him for not being racial at all. He won't mention the Z-word, which many find curious and cause them to label Jones a shill for the struggling NWO and their Kazarite (lol) contingent. Racialism is pushed by the powers that be, to divide and conquer the peasants.
Jones speaks out against the increase of police powers, he wants to reign in the corrupt bankers. These are good things, so to hinder Jones in any way is to help the criminal bankers.
Alex Jones is completely insane...there is not such thing as any MIAC report, NORTHCOM isn't transitioning stateside at all, those bankers dont need any audit- that would be a waste of time. There is no such thing as secret meetings or societies- Bilderbergs meet with journalists and cameras present. They dont want power or money at all...our manufacturing base isn't declining, its rising, like the dollar. Super wealthy people love the worlds peasants and would do anything for them. Our Senators love the people; senators never respond to corporate lobbying pressure ...no-one ever talks about global governance...Alex Jones just sits around his house all day long in his pajamas, drinking cup after cup of Peruvian organic coffee, getting high as a kite off of caffeine, and he makes all this stuff up. He better shut his pie-hole, the sooner the better. Drink your tap water now.
To the Anon who still thinks Jones "won't mention the Z word":
In 2008, Jones said that government documents from the 1960s reveal that the Anglo-Saxon Protestant work ethic, along with international WASP cooperation, was eradicated by "the Zion". Until that time, WASP countries were highly productive and largely free of corruption, while non-WASP countries were in decline because of corruption.
In a 2006 video, Jones talks about "the influence of the Israeli lobby in using America as muscle to fight its wars" and "the history of Zionists funding Hitler." Watch the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNpZX3d2BrI
Jones had Jordan Maxwell on his show to proclaim that Zionism is a "Teutonic/Germanic death cult". See my post "Alex Jones Won't Talk About Zionism" at http://leavingalexjonestown.blogspot.com/2009/02/alex-jones-wont-talk-about-zionism.html
Jones has said of Texe Marrs that he learned more from him than just about anyone. And Marrs is not only anti-Zionist, but somewhat anti-Semitic as well. Among many other things, he has written that the Jewish elite are plotting to enslave the world population under a "Jewish master race".
More subtly, Infowars has featured the art of David Dees, a blatant Holocaust "revisionist". See http://leavingalexjonestown.blogspot.com/2009/07/art-of-david-dees.html
Maybe Jones doesn't talk about Zionism as much as some people would like him to, but he sure as hell talks about Zionism.
I find this blog irrelevant. Comments are only sporadically rebutted; the primary objections stand.
Then go away.
P.S. For anyone who wants to take Rima Laibow's depopulation claims seriously, then I suggest you begin taking alien abduction accounts seriously as well. She was really into those for a while. She was even featured in one of the biggest hoaxes ever to hit network TV: UFO Coverup Live!. So maybe, just maybe, you should worry about bankers and little gray men.
The depopulation quotes are in character for Kissinger et al, but some of the quotes don't sound like the sort of things these people would utter in front of witnesses.
Conspiracy cult members are amazingly adept at ignoring Jew hate. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.
Explain, please, anon. Who said something that showed that they hated Jews as a racial/ethnic or religious group, in total? Jones wife is part Jewish. Texe Marrs isn't exactly a regular guest, so lets leave him be, for now.
Zionism isn't necessarily interchangeable with Judaism, despite what MLK once famously said.
Reading this blog, with the comments, for the last few months...overall, this spot is a virtual endorsement and commercial in favor of Jones.
I once had girlfriend who would argue with me over politics...at the end of our spirited discussions, she would often say something like "oh yeah? well you come from a country where people eat horse meat, so what could you know"... Whether or not my countrymen consume horse flesh or not, was(is) irrelevant to our arguments.
I don't know much about Dr. Laibow, but to invoke a persons beliefs in other areas- which is just changing the subject-when discussing another issue-this is intellectual dishonesty and does nothing to settle the issue at hand.
She can enjoy eating horse meat, or she can be enthusiastic about alleged alien abductions, and this is not really relevant when discussing the worlds financial elites alleged plans to reduce the worlds population.
Yeah because I can't go to PrisonPlanet and read everyone's rants about Jews. Oh wait, I can.
Are all conspiracy theorists Jew haters?
No.
Do most conspiracy theories stem from Jew hate?
Yes.
Maybe you can ignore bigotry for the "greater good." I, on the other hand, deem you guilty by association.
And if you really think anyone believes that the Jew haters are just trolls and disinformation agents, then you must really think I don't know how many posters think the Protocols of Zion are a history book.
Frankly, I think you're all pussies who are so desperate to believe in your conspiracy theories you won't alienate people who agree with you, even if they're blatant Jew haters.
The Anon above was a little too crude about it, but he/she has a point. People are turning a blind eye to anti-semitism in the alternative media, the Truth movement, and most other conspiracy-centric areas, if they're not actually embracing it. Granted, it's not always easy to tell who's truly anti-semitic and who just doesn't like Zionism, but some conspiracy theorists are pretty freaking blatant about their disdain for the majority of Jewish people, their belief that the Holocaust is a hoax, etc.
The "other" views of Texe Marrs and Rima Laibow are very relevant to what they say to Alex Jones fans. Knowing what else they have endorsed can help you determine their credibility. Have they made unsupported statements in the past? Have they drawn flawed conclusions from incomplete data? Are they into a lot of serious woo? Do they let their emotions get ahead of the facts? Yes, yes, yes, and yes.
A person would make a good attorney if they can find the flaw in an analogy. A cabal's alleged plan to reduce the worlds population is not an analogy for alleged space alien abductions, or vice versa.
To anon,I dont see very many comments where Jews as a people are targeted on the Jones sites. And when they do pop up, these people tend to be against Jones to a certain extent.
As far as terms go, you dont seem to know that the official government version of what happended on 9-11 IS a 'conspiracy theory,' by definition. So is that Jew -hate? criminal conspiracies happen al the time- ask any DA.
Racism and anti-semitism, and the charge of being one, is a tool of rulers and their flunky's, to divide and conquer.
There is such a thing as disinfo agents, anon. Even at the leadership level of hate groups.
Jews have been a harmed and victimized by Zionism. Local leaders in Israel and Palestine almost all agree that if not for the regional and worldwide military -industrial complex and religious fanticism, both sides would have been able to have worked things out with each other long ago.
In a sense, anon, by your near- lumping of jew hate and zionism into the same basket, swirling your concept of 'conspiracy theories' and prejudice, you yourself are harming Jews, by resisting a full critique of the forces in play. You force me to ask- do you hate Jews and Israel?
You said i'm guilty by association. Association with what or whom? Do you know?
You don't see it because you don't want to. Rather than admitting to anti-Semitism in conspiracy circles you have attempted to minimize it.
It exists and you will not muddy the waters by claiming that I can't tell the difference between disdain for Israel's politics and flat out anti-Semitism.
But you have to because it makes your cult look bad.
My cult? Your comments are becoming more and more confused, crude- mouthed anon. How many flat- out anti-semitic remarks are there today on Jones Infowars comments section, compared to how many other comments overall? How many comments do you think are disguised anti -Jew remarks,made by the more timid, as you say? And like I said before, many of those are not really Jones supporters or are plants, etc. Some are not, I dont deny this.
There are bad aspects to almsot every group; the Talmud says some very bizarre things, and many super wealthy Jews display some negative traits or practices, like super wealthy anybody-else-or-group, and Mossad has an incredibly far ranging reach and subtle influence, but to condemn these particular aspects does not mean that one hates most or all Jews as a group over time. Racial labels are misleading and are used as clubs to shut up the opposition.
Very few deny that anti-Jew sentiments are out there, but one need not be into any type of "conspiracy" to be anti-Jewish, it cuts across many layers of society and the globe. There are Jews who hate Jews, and as a Rabbi once said to me, half-Jews tend to be the most anti-semitic of all... Im not muddying the waters- Zionists use Jews, to almost everyones detriment. Not all Zionists are Jews, either, and Zionism is just part of the problem, its a piece of the puzzle.
We were talking about depopulation. I prefer point by point refutations, not easy dismissals. If someone is condemend and on death row, that person can still harbor and articulate valid anti death penalty views. This isn't really about one person (Dr. Laibow) but one can believe in aliens, yet also hold correct views on many other subjects. They can eat horse meat too, and still be right. What is actually said is what must be examined.
I dont know much about Laibow, my earlier depopulation comments referred to the idea as presented by many others. She wasn't big on my list of concerns, she's one of many, I dont care about her much, I just heard about her very recently.
Did Margaret Sanger say infanticide might be a good thing for some families?
What cult am I suppose to belong to, or do you think I have a cult?
to anon 12:20pm....I read about 400 comments for todays Infowars, for the lead stories...no anti-Jew stuff there.
Since you argue using made up info, you should get offline.
Prison Planet forums = anti-Semitic comments
Infowars.com comments = anti-Semitic comments
Truthers = pop culture cult
ok, ok, foul mouth anon, I understand now that you must be a 12 year old, I'll leave you alone. You dont know how to debate.
I wasn't trying to form an analogy with alien abduction claims and depopulation conspiracy claims, I was just commenting that Laibow is a woman who habitually extrapolates far-out conclusions from limited and/or flawed data.
What makes you think I want to debate Truthers? Truthers are incapable of debate as it is a religion.
Oh you can claim this is all about science. I can think of another religion that makes those claims too.
Alex Jones, in preamble to interviewing Eustace Mullins, called his guest "a modern day founding father of the 2nd American Revolution".
Here's a page on Eustace Mullins which gives a frightening glimpse of what this supposed "2nd revolution" is about:
http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/mullins
It begins
In October 1952, Mullins wrote an article for the National Renaissance Party Bulletin entitled "Hitler: An Appreciation" which may be seen as Exhibit 4 (page 27) of the House Committee on Un-American Activities Report entitled: Preliminary Report on Neo-Fascist and Hate Groups
and it continues in that vein.
If Alex Jones doesn't know this stuff about Mullins, he's a dolt.
If Jones does know this stuff, what are to make of his calling Mullins "a modern day founding-father" - and his silence about Mullins' anti-semitism and association with organised fascism spanning 50 years?
Jones commits a lie of omission by failing to inform his audience of any of this, and instead describing Mullins in terms such as "great historian", "iconic freedom fighter" and "modern-day founding father" etc.
It's misrepresentation.....serving the cause of anti-semitic fascism. (and Jones' wallet?)
Mullins is a fascist loon, the protege of another fascist loon - Ezra Pound. Anyone who espouses uncritical admiration for these guys or mistakenly believes that Mullins is a fellow freedom-lover needs to - as Jones would put it - WAKE UP.
Ezra Pound was a freedom fighter of sorts, since one of his main focuses was to end usury, which is slavery.
Pound wasn't really crazy- when he was captured, he was held in a trash can or concrete kennel or something odd, I forget exactly what, and he was blasted with loud music or bright lights, deprived of nutrition, medical care etc., until he cracked, as everyone else would under the circumstances.
Jones is always warning people about racism, anti-semitism, etc. he beats this drum constantly. To accuse him of anti-semitism is legally hazardous, since he has warned the SPLC & ADL to never cast that stone again, and they have since backed off, Jones lawyers are alert to anyone trying to label him an anti-semite, Jones would not hesitate to legally pursue this. Be careful.
This blog is a paid debunking site or it is made by an agent, witting or unwitting, of the bankers, think tanks, and other sordid organizations that are hell-bent on total control over our lives.
I guess now someone else will pull up another obscure or infrequent guest of Jones, in another attempt to smear him as an anti-semite or racist.
As long as governments have to pay interest to private banks for the use of their own money, things will remain worse than bad.
...usury, which is slavery.
The same old tired nonsense.
Slavery is non-voluntary. Acquiring credit isn't.
Don't like the rates? Don't borrow anything. Simple. Nothing like slavery.
This is the usual, nonsensical clap-trap from Mullins, Jones and his ilk.
Jones is always warning people about racism, anti-semitism, etc. he beats this drum constantly.
Hardly. IMO he only employs it as lip-service, to enable people such as yourself to defend him in just the way you are here.
You have to be a fool to not realise that Jones' feigned anti-racism rings hollow when he promotes people such as Mullins, sources such as Carto's AFP,and campaigns such as Reverend Pike's "anti-hate bill" crapola.
If Jones was remotely activated to oppose genuine fascism and crypto-nazism, he would be attacking Mullins over it.......not calling him "a great man"......"a modern day founding father". Mullins!!! FFS? You joker?
Likewise he wouldn't have Rivero on his show without at least raising issues such as Rivero's holocaust denial, his hosting of Curt Maynard articles, his promotion of Willis Carto's various organs.....etc etc etc.
To accuse him of anti-semitism is legally hazardous
Personally I don't accuse him of it - but I do infer that he is sympathetic to it, because he promotes sources whom certainly *are* anti-semitic yet *never* criticises them for it, and *never* informs his audience of it.
It is a rhetorical deceit to claim one isn't anti-semitic whilst promoting sources and personalities whom certainly are.
Jones lawyers are alert to anyone trying to label him an anti-semite, Jones would not hesitate to legally pursue this. Be careful.
Always great to see an anti-state libertarian poseur instinctively reach for litigation, don't ya think?
As long as governments have to pay interest to private banks for the use of their own money, things will remain worse than bad.
Yeah, sure. How is it "their money" if they have to pay interest on it? And don't tell me about the Fed - the Fed pays the majority of generated surplus back into the state treasury. Go look at the accounts.........
I don't think Jones is an anti-semite, but no one can deny he has anti-semites on his show.
But I agree with Last_Name that usury isn't remotely close to slavery. Debt is usually a choice. I've lived a debt-free life, so all this talk of "debt slavery" is nonsense to me.
This blog is a paid debunking site
I wish. Srsly, I do.
or it is made by an agent, witting or unwitting, of the bankers, think tanks, and other sordid organizations that are hell-bent on total control over our lives.
I can live with that. Sounds cooler than "is made by a person with too much freaking time on her hands".
to the-last-name -left,
Jones may have had these people on his show, but their alleged offensive views werent the topic. Jones wont permit it. He even challenged a caller to a fight once, when that caller merely mentioned an infamous anti-semite- jus the mention of a name triggered Jones to issue fighting words to a caller.
How many people out there deny the Gazan near-genocide, the near-Apartheid system on the west bank, or even the Hebrew genocide against the Canannites, yet these same people are allowed to speak on radio shows? why dont you condemn them, in total?
You dont think the hate crime bill unecessarily or illeglly got federal officials involved in local or state issues?
You dont think people should be allowed to sue for defamation, if true? huh?
Also, you think usury and credit are synonymous, when they aren't.
Jones wont permit it. He even challenged a caller to a fight once, when that caller merely mentioned an infamous anti-semite- jus the mention of a name triggered Jones to issue fighting words to a caller.
HAHA - amazing.
Jones will go off at a caller for holding supposedly anti-semitic opinions........but he venerates his guests - such as Mullins!!!
HAHA. What a defence of Jones!
Why doesn't Jones start fighting with Mullins instead of calling him "a modern-day founding father"??????
You just drove flatout down a blind alley.
You missed the point. Mullins wasn't on the show to discuss holocaust denial.....but when a caller tried to bring it up, Jones rose in righteous indignation to defend the Jewish memory, merely because a caller mentioned the name of an infamous anti-semtite. Deal with what is the subject of the show, please.
Someone can hold a view that is inappropiate, yet they can also hold another view that might be discussed for everyones legit education. Everyone knows this. I listen to pundits discuss the mid east, even if these pundits refuse to talk about Israels 200 plus atomic bombs, or they fail to note some other apartheid-esque Israeli action. I can live with that, as we should be able to live with a radio guest views on Goldman Sachs,the Fed chairman, etc., even if they are not in line with offical history concerning WW2.
Jones wont deal with UFO's either, generally, he thinks that subject is inappropiate for the show, yet he wont launch an attack on a guest that he knows to be into UFO's, when that guest is talking about finance or the constitution... Stick to the topics discussed on air, please, or branch out your critque to cover ALL deniers.
If Mullins had launched into a diatribe on holocaust denial, Jones would have given him a similar treatment that he gave to that caller.
Thanks for illustrating how Alex Jones carefully compartmentalises to protect his guests' bigotry and to prevent his own hypocrisy becoming obvious.
If Jones was remotely genuinely anti-racist and anti-fascist he would be *raising* these subjects critically - with his racist and anti-semitic friends, contributors and guests.
Instead - as you've helped demonstrate - he protects his guests' bigotry, and in the process deceives his audience through lies of omission.
Why defend this stuff? Because you're playing the same game too?
It is conscious and wilful deception to host Mullins and discuss Mullins' views whilst omitting any reference to Mullins' 50 years of anti-semitic paranoia and his collaboration with organised fascism and his connections with nazism.
It's anti-semitism for prime-time. It's Stromfront Lite.
As i said - it's deception to claim one isn't anti-semitic whilst promoting and publicising sources whom certainly *are* anti-semitic.
It's beyond bizarre that Jones would berate a caller for merely dropping the name of a "famous anti-semite", when he routinely welcomes and lavishes praise upon guests like Mullins, Texe Marrs, and Jordan Maxwell. I'm catching a whiff of serious hypocrisy, here.
lastname etc., you sound hysteric. critique the topics that are on -air, please...
No, previous anonymous.
We will critique whatever we damn well please.
Well anon, you couldn't be more wrong- if Jones comments section had about 5% comments where someone said "Jew this, Jew that.." then you might have an argument...but his comments sections aren't like that at all, and you know it. Its closer to 1 in 300-400.
Alex Jones wife is part Jewish, some even say she's Jewish, thus making his children Jewish. If any Jones guest began to cast the macro or micro political argument in "Jew versus the world (or us)" terms, or began to deny the holocaust, that guest (or caller) would be kicked off the air, and you know that... A dislike for the near genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza does not make one an anti-semite. A dislike for the practices of the Rothschilds isn't anti-semitism. Not liking the SPLC and their ideas about how national sovereignty is obsolete and should end with an new international order is not anti-semtism...
Some Jews and Zionists seem to have a persecution complex that makes them see antisemitism and antisemtic plots under every bush. By nearly copying the methods of the Nazis- Israel largely learned how to deal with the Intifadas by observing how the Nazi's dealt with the Warsaw rising- by emulating the Nazi's supremacism and cruelty, Israel (not Jews, anon) has earned criticism.
Discussing Pounds economic ideas, the control freak Federal Reserve, interest rates, usury, the IMF and World Banks destructive nation-destroying terms or conditions they impose upon peoples...this isn't anti semitism. These large entities have a hand in wrecking countries, in part through impossible repayment terms, to switch to mono cultures, which the people of these countries never choose to begin with. Their debt burden is largely involuntary, it is a form of slavery. "Everyman" cannot always be blamed for having a thug boss. When Mullins was a guest, did he talk about how Jews were destroying us? Did he go on and on about how Jews this, Jews that? I suppose to you "usurers" is just code for Jew, the way you would call my hate for most Rap music a disguised hate for blacks...
I supoose you would be happy if Jones and his "Stormfront lite" would go away forever, so people can go back to watching CNN and FOX news go on and on and on about some balloon-ufo boy, or Paris Hilton, or a cars stuck gas pedals...then, THEN, things will get better.
If you can show me how most of the worlds ills are caused by ethnic Jews, and nobody else, then I will become a proud Anti-semite. But until then, you need to get over yourself and face the real enemy. "Jews," and their mostly imaginary opponents, are not the problem. This is much bigger than any ethnic group or any state.
A dislike for the near genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza does not make one an anti-semite. A dislike for the practices of the Rothschilds isn't anti-semitism. Not liking the SPLC and their ideas about how national sovereignty is obsolete and should end with an new international order is not anti-semtism...
None of that disqualifies anti-semitism, either.
So what's your point?
That you're incapable of spotting time-worn tropes of anti-semitism?
That you don't know the history and beliefs of Eustace Mullins, Reverend Pike, Big Jim Tucker, Willis Carto......?
Some Jews and Zionists seem to have a persecution complex that makes them see antisemitism and antisemtic plots under every bush.
Some people also find the least display of anti-semitism disgusting. Your point?
By nearly copying the methods of the Nazis- Israel largely learned how to deal with the Intifadas by observing how the Nazi's dealt with the Warsaw rising- by emulating the Nazi's supremacism and cruelty, Israel (not Jews, anon) has earned criticism.
Oh shutup? Why do you have to use Nazism and the ghettos as a reference? You hardly help your case any employing such language (which is nearly guaranteed to unsettle jews) when seeking to criticise israel.
Are the Israelis ready to "transport" the ghettos for "special treatment"? What a dumb comment.
Discussing Pounds economic ideas, the control freak Federal Reserve, interest rates, usury, the IMF and World Banks destructive nation-destroying terms or conditions they impose upon peoples...this isn't anti semitism.
Ah - see how slippery the anti-semite can be.
IF you really believe what you're saying then you are extremely naiive imo. I suspect you are only pretending to be so naiive.
These large entities have a hand in wrecking countries, in part through impossible repayment terms, to switch to mono cultures, which the people of these countries never choose to begin with. Their debt burden is largely involuntary, it is a form of slavery.
Man, is that some tired old BS.
When Mullins was a guest, did he talk about how Jews were destroying us? Did he go on and on about how Jews this, Jews that? I suppose to you "usurers" is just code for Jew, the way you would call my hate for most Rap music a disguised hate for blacks...
Hey....now you're getting somewhere, maybe? lol
Anyway - the point about Mullins' appearances on Alex Jones' show is that on Jones' show Mullins doesn't explicitly name "joooos" as the target - whereas he normally would. Likewise, whilst Alex pretends to his gullible and ignorant audience that he "is anti-fascist" he in fact lies by ommission to his audience by failing to point out Mullins' associations with Nazism stretching back 50 years.
You are *not* anti-fascist when you call the leading lights of N American fascists "modern day founding fathers" etc.
That's functioning to psoitively promote and legitimise fascism. It also protects fascism by sowing confusion over what it actually is, and whom its supporters actually are.
I supoose you would be happy if Jones and his "Stormfront lite" would go away forever, so people can go back to watching CNN and FOX news go on and on and on about some balloon-ufo boy, or Paris Hilton, or a cars stuck gas pedals...then, THEN, things will get better.
Yeah, sure. You have a real binary mind, dontcha ya?
People could actually start reading some genuinely critical views instead.....such as Marxism, for example. Or Chomsky, or Zinn, or Parenti or.........lots of other options. Alex Jones is useless.....don't pretend he EVER says something novel or worthy?
If you can show me how most of the worlds ills are caused by ethnic Jews, and nobody else, then I will become a proud Anti-semite. But until then, you need to get over yourself and face the real enemy
Ah.
And "the real enemey" is.....what?
"Jews," and their mostly imaginary opponents, are not the problem. This is much bigger than any ethnic group or any state.
Mostly imaginary opponents? You ever visited Stormfront?
To Last Name, etc.....your refutation of what was said about the IMF and the World bank was merely a few words about "old BS" and being "slippery" ....Your debate skills overwhelm me. The next time someone says to me something that I object to, I'll just say, "Oh, that old BS? " ...I will win every time....
The debate about the utility and/or goodness about these institutions isn't closed- the regimens imposed upon poor countries, the deregulations, privatizations, the gutting of social safety nets.....many people challenge the IMF et al, from the streets of Seattle and Genoa to inside criticism from Joseph Stiglitz and Jeffrey Sachs... dont pretend that objections to these unelected global financial institutions is over and done, or as you put it, tired old BS.
And yes, I have read Marx, and about seven books by Chomsky, who I agree with over 92% of the time, Ive read Marcuse, Michael Harrington, and much Liberation Theology literature. I never miss an opportunity to see the late Zinn being interviewed, and the only reason I haven't read his Peoples History is because I haven't gotten around to it yet.... I enjoy the essays of Gore Vidal...I have voted for Ralph Nader 3x, and Tony Benn over in Britain is a minor hero of mine....so don't assume Im something Im not. Alex Jones is a radio jockey who makes sorta schlocky films, he's not a tenured professor or scholar, there's no need to compare. I find him very entertaining, sometimes he's very funny, and I like many of his guests, like second man on the Moon Buzz Aldrin, among others. I like the constitutional or Bill of Rights issues he brings up, among other topics. At Other times, I can't stand the guy, and turn him off,in anger. I think some of you people out there need to relax.
to Last name, etc.... concerning your "dumb" comment about Israel and the intifada situation...
...consider a Haaretz article (by respected military journalist Amir Oren)...
"In order to prepare properly for the next campaign, one of the Israeli officers in the(occupied) territories said not long ago..Its justified and in fact essential to learn from every possible source, if the mission will be to seize a densely populated refugee camp, or take over the Casbah in Nablus, and if the commanders obligation is to try to execute the mission without casualites on either side, then we must first analyze and internalize the lessons of earlier battles, even, however shocking it may sound, even how the German army fought in the Warsaw ghetto.
If this officer beleives that the Casbah of Nablus resembles the Warsaw ghetto, who, in his mind, resemble the officers of the Israeli army?"
anon: your refutation of what was said about the IMF and the World bank was merely a few words about "old BS" and being "slippery" ....Your debate skills overwhelm me.
None of that is the topic here, atm. And in terms of Alex Jones' treatment of those topics (ie his use of Eustace Mullins and co) then it really *is* "tired old BS". As I said.
Stiglitz is worth listening to. Alex Jones' treatement of Stiglitz isn't. Jones tries to crowbar the views of figures like Stiglitz into his (and Mullins') worldview. No matter if they have nothing in common apart from the fact they both share critical (but different) views.....
don't assume Im something Im not.
Well, you're here defending Alex Jones? That's no assumption?
I don't see how anyone with critical skills can stand to hear AJ, let alone find anything he says of value. He can't get simple facts correct - and he twists *everything* to conform to his worldview. It's ridiculous.
You answer me this specific point: why does Alex like to suggest he's "anti-fascist" yet never tells his audience of Eustace Mullins' affiliations with nazis going back 50 years?
Do you think it's legitimate to call someone affiliated with nazis "a modern day founding father"?
Don't you find that a little.....dangerous? Don't you find it's a lie in the service of fascism to venerate Mullins whilst hiding his past?
For Jones and co, one need only visit a Bildeberg meeting to be considered one of Satan's NWO hordes.....yet 50 years with Nazis doesn't require comment. Indeed - most interestingly it is studiously avoided. You tell me why?
You're defending this practice.....because "sometimes he makes you laugh"?
If this officer beleives that the Casbah of Nablus resembles the Warsaw ghetto, who, in his mind, resemble the officers of the Israeli army?"
I think you overstate your case: does this (anonymous) officer think Nablus "resembles the Warsaw Ghetto" as you claim?
In your own quote the officer says "if the mission will be to seize a densely populated refugee camp, or take over the Casbah in Nablus, and if the commanders obligation is to try to execute the mission without casualites on either side..... Hardly sounds like Warsaw Ghetto and the Nazis, right?
The claim made earlier - and to which I was responding said "By nearly copying the methods of the Nazis- Israel largely learned how to deal with the Intifadas by observing how the Nazi's dealt with the Warsaw rising- by emulating the Nazi's supremacism and cruelty, Israel (not Jews, anon) has earned criticism."
COPYING the methods of Nazis. EMULATING supremacism and cruelty of Nazis. Sheesh - come off it. Some major ignorance on display there.
Note the officer's language - merely mentioning the Warsaw Ghetto in such a way is "shocking". That suggests why other people purposefully employ the analogy. Right? To shock - to hurt - to offend.
It's silly to suggest that because military tactics from Warsaw Ghetto might inform military tactics in aspects of P/I conflict then it's justified to consider the conflict and its parties to be "the same thing". COPYING. EMULATING.
And whilst you make a good point, you are eliding the fact that many people only use such echoes of Warsaw and of Nazism more generally as a means to attack Israeli occupation, knowing full-well that it's a barb designed to attack ALL jews. It's demonisation. I find it offensive....so do many others. Such anti-semitic overtones WEAKEN - not strengthen - arguments for peace and justice. If those are one's genuine goals (peace and justice).....why hinder them with superficial but highly offensive equivalences of Israelis and Nazism?
There's generally two interesting and antagonistic threads to such claims:
1) The holocaust is downplayed, or denied altogether. Jewish suffering through Holocaust is downplayed, denied, as if this can somehow delegitimise Israel.
2) israel is supposed to be "just like the Nazis" - which requires admission of Nazi barbarity etc - the more the better, as it better indicts Jews/Israelis today and again, delegitimises Israel.
None of this is acceptable as a means to address P/I conflict.
Have you ever personally used a comparison with Nazism for any other present day conflict? Such as Sri Lanka, say? why not?
"its a barb designed to attack all Jews"....No, it isnt. Its mainly to critique the heavy handed or criminal Israeli occupation of Palestine.
There are millions of wonderful Jews out there, mainly the Orthodox ones, and the Left peaceniks, and some others.
And Hitler was the one emulating Jews or Hebrews. Mosiac racial laws, you know, Gods chosen people, etc....
Hey buddy, I just posted the qoute. I never commented on it. You assume too much, again.
And you sound like your in deep denial about what's going on in Gaza, the Lebanese camps, the West Bank...
Why dont you call the Jones show and ask him about Mullins?
I dont compare any other current conflict to Nazism, unless you count the non-monolithic internationalist oligarchy and their constant plot to exploit, enslave, corrupt, or snuff out humanity- they are Nazi-like.
Also, the Sri Lankan issue, or others around the planet... these lack the irony and/or direct impact upon America that the I/P conflict possesses.
"its a barb designed to attack all Jews"....No, it isnt. Its mainly to critique the heavy handed or criminal Israeli occupation of Palestine.
Hmmm. you say "mainly". what else then?
And notice the two things - criticising Israel and anti-semitism - are not mutually exclusive.
You haven't demonstrated a difference - and you left some space for reasonable suspicion with your use of "mainly".
And Hitler was the one emulating Jews or Hebrews. Mosiac racial laws, you know, Gods chosen people, etc....
oh right - jew as inspiration for Nazism now?
And you sound like your in deep denial about what's going on in Gaza, the Lebanese camps, the West Bank...
I suspect I have as much direct experience of it as you do - none.
Does it effect my life any? No.
I find a simple anti-semitism in the fact people obsess over Israel/Palestine whilst ignoring Sri Lanka, the Congo, Chechenya, Turkey and the Kurds....Nagorny Karabak....whatever.
If the internet was full of racist bullshit about Tamil Tigers I'd oppose that too, I suppose.
Empire even sets the agenda of its critics.......at least so it appears.
Why dont you call the Jones show and ask him about Mullins?
You're the fan - why don't you?
I dont compare any other current conflict to Nazism, unless you count the non-monolithic internationalist oligarchy and their constant plot to exploit, enslave, corrupt, or snuff out humanity- they are Nazi-like.
errr......ok. WTF? Let me guess - you mean Rothschilds? Or maybe Illuminaughty? Or maybe.....jews? or fairies? or?
And hold on - you probably subscribe to there being "no left or right" too? These two positions of opposition are.....just right and wrong, right?
Also, the Sri Lankan issue, or others around the planet... these lack the irony and/or direct impact upon America that the I/P conflict possesses.
ah.
so spare us the sanctimonious bullshit about caring for palestinians then, ok?
Now your not even making sense. Most of what you just wrote didn't apply to what I wrote... your earlier posts, at least they contained some granules of logic. You dont seem capable of rational discourse, since you are always making false assumptions
Your a paranoid, a McCarthy who sees anti-semitic or anti-Jewishness in most things.
Your a paranoid, a McCarthy who sees anti-semitic or anti-Jewishness in most things.
ah.
I'm paranoid for being suspicious of Alex Jones' use of traditional anti-semitic tropes when he avoids mentioning the Nazism and white separatist views of his guests (and audience)?
No - that isn't paranoia. It's well founded suspicion.
Is it paranoia to notice Alex Jones called Poplawski a white supremacist and Nazi? When Jones called such views merely "distasteful"?
DISTASTEFUL? NAZISM? WHITE SUPREMACISM?
Funny - he spends most of his time trying to pretend he's "fighting fascism".......he does get soooo worked about it doesn't he.
But then, even under pressure to denounce Poplawski, the most Alex could muster was to call Nazism DISTASTEFUL.
That isn't paranoia, thank you very much.
A brief potted history:
In the 1960s the John Birch Society (JBS) and other
Patriot Movement groups peddled the anti-
Freemason ideology from the 1790s, using it to
explain the communist threat. Communists allegedly
were just one guise of the Mason’s Illuminati leadership.
Later the Illuminati were variously said to control
Wall Street, Hillary Clinton, and Dick Cheney. In
terms of public discourse, when the JBS blamed the
secret elites and plutocrats for the vast conspiracy, the
organization was not covertly blaming the Jews.
Instead a favorite theme of the JBS continues to be
that the liberal globalists are planning a New World
Order run by a totalitarian One World Government
through the United Nations. Nonetheless, the JBS
cites books and other works that perpetuate stereotypes
about Jews, banking, and global power.
The right-wing group Populists American takes a
step further toward antisemitism. For this group, the
problem is not all Jews. Rather, its website explains
that the real “enemy of all mankind” is the “Zionist
Jews” who are “not to be confused with other Jews.”
The website then posts the text of the Protocols with a
disclaimer typical of this genre.
Out on the fringes of conspiracism are organized
White supremacist groups and neonazis who are
mad about what they call ZOG: the Zionist
Occupational Government (their name for the U.S.
government in Washington, D.C.). The National
Alliance, Aryan Nations, and Christian Defense
League are White racist groups that cite the Protocols.
Chip Berlet's "Toxic to Democracy" - on the far-right, conspiracy theory and antisemitism (on left and right):
http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/toxic2democracy/Tox2Dem-1.pdf
Its your beef with Jones about Mullins, ,not mine, so you are the one who should call Jones, not me, dont you understand how that works? you keep making false assumptions, im not the giant Jones fan you imagine.
and Nazism didn't spring up in a vacuum, or didn't you know? Hitler pondered the Mosiac racial laws and internalized the "chosen people" theme of the Hebrews or Jews.
You also made fun of the exploitation that goes on around the world, the abuse mega international corporations, or oligarchs, wreck on poor countries...you dont sound like someone who's read Marx (lol)
Im curious if you will condemn the Israeli occupation, the near- genocide going on there?
You assumed I "cared", but I dont care in the way you assume. Can you answer the question about the occupation with a yes or no, without being snide?
Its your beef with Jones about Mullins, ,not mine
Yeah - I kinda guessed. You're fine with Mullins.
Funny - but I thought you were trying earlier to suggest the Israelis were acting like Nazis......and we're to understand that's "really bad".
But now you're suggesting you don't have a beef with Eustace Mullins, what with his Nazism and all.
So now, suddenly, Nazism isn't such a heinous ideology.........it's not even worth raising as an issue when you find its presence at your favourite radioshow.
Funny, but I could have sworn we were earlier being asked to think critically of Israel - because it apparently acts LIKE Nazis.
Yet here you are treating the presence of the real thing around Alex Jones with insouciance.
Don't imagine it goes unnoticed.
You also made fun of the exploitation that goes on around the world
No I didn't.
Im curious if you will condemn the Israeli occupation, the near- genocide going on there?
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Can you answer the question about the occupation with a yes or no, without being snide?
No. I don't agree with your premise - SFAIK the population of occupied territories has increased - and I wouldn't wish to reduce a complex subject into some simplistic "yes" or "no".
You say genocide. Horribly crude, but look at the numbers of fatalities in the I/P conflict compared to other conflicts around the globe: in terms of number of fatalities, I/P is small beer. On average - 1000 a decade. 1000 too much, of course, and it doesn't tell the whole story. But look at this figure - 8,000 children dying from malnutrition and related disease and illness EVERY DAY. Look at the other conflicts - in Congo, Sri Lanka, Turkey/Kurdistan, Chechenya, Afghanistan, Iraq.....
Why don't you ask me if I support the "genocide" there? Why don't you appear to care if there is "genocide" elsewhere? If 1000 deaths a year count as genocide then there's an awful lot of it about. And so why aren't the Turks like the Nazis when they attack Kurds? Or Sri Lankans when they attack Tamils? You've no enthusiasm for the Nazi echoes then? How strange....
Personally I only have platitudes as an answer - I wish everyone could hold hands and smile and be lalalal happy. I wish all borders would disappear, and all people become one. And no-one gets fat til ALL the children are fed. LALALA. I don't pretend to have any answers - let alone easy and simple ones for the Israeli/Palestine conflict. I am suspicious of people whom claim to, tbh.
I find it notable that you're demanding I answer questions about I/P? What has Israel got to do with Alex Jones, Nazism, and his guests?
Somehow we are now onto "Israeli genocide"........who'd have guessed?
You assumed I "cared", but I dont care in the way you assume.
You could just explain? But no......
you didnt read my comment right I said near genocide.
im fine with mullins going on a radio show to talk about economics.
I stuck with the I/P conflict because you seem to have a psychological stake in the matter.... you laughed off the ongoing tragedy there, whether its a near genocide, or whatever you want to call it... you dismissed it out of hand, despite its importance.
dont imagine it goes unnoticed.
you laughed off the ongoing tragedy there
No I didn't. Anyone can read the comments for themselves.
whether its a near genocide, or whatever you want to call it... you dismissed it out of hand, despite its importance.
No. Wanting to see it in context is not "dismissing it out of hand". I don't see Palestinaians as more important than others.....which seems implicit in taking I/P conflict as being of primary import.
8000 children a day -- 3 911s every day -- of children. And......silence. Hmmm. I have to take peoples' "concern" for Palestinians with a pinch of salt, quite frankly.
Notice that even the far-right can oppose the Iraq and Afghan wars. Invariably they do. But why?
im fine with mullins going on a radio show to talk about economics.
Yeah - and then you jump up and down about how Nazi-like Israelis are.........as if that is supposed to somehow indict them.
Nazi-Israelis = BAD
Nazi-Mullins = FINE
Not hard to work out what's going on there.
yeah, its not hard for me to work out whats going on here.
Israel is more strategic than most.
the silence is deafening.
Israel is more strategic than most.
the silence is deafening.
But the silence over Mullins is fine?
Jones' silence over Mullins' Nazi affiliations is fine.
The silence over Jones' silence over Mullins is fine.
But all you see is the "silence" over Israel being supposedly "like" Nazis....
Being a Nazi doesn't matter -- but being like Nazis does.
How odd.
You, and most other people, myself included, dont have any problem with Jewish supremacists airing their views on TV or radio, etc, without any disclaimer beforehand. Even Jewish survivors of WW2 who stridently speak out against the current occupation-gulag are now being labeled 'antisemites' by Jew supremacists. They cant win.
I dont see why it would be necessary to add a notice before a show, telling the audience that the upcoming speaker is a Zionist Jew supremacist...I say let these people speak freely.
Mullins wasn't a Nazi.
Mullins "wasn't a Nazi".........?
Hmmm. He's probably not so stupid as to wear swaztikas and the full SS outfit. At least not on Alex Jones' show, eh?
Mullins being "a Nazi" is not exactly the issue.
Mullins' personal history is littered with examples such as this:
In October 1952, Mullins wrote an article for the National Renaissance Party Bulletin entitled "Hitler: An Appreciation" which may be seen as Exhibit 4 (page 27) of the House Committee on Un-American Activities Report entitled: Preliminary Report on Neo-Fascist and Hate Groups – here:
http://debs.indstate.edu/u588n4_1954.pdf
Note the HCUA characterization of National Renaissance Party's Bulletin as "avowed fascist."
http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/mullins
Go and read through that page, and then tell us that "Mullins was not Nazi".
What is he doing in such close contact with Nazis (over 50 years) if he isn't "a Nazi"?
What is it that Mullins must do to become a genuine, fully fledged, bona fide Nazi? Wear Swaztikas? Sure.......
From that same page:
Not surprisingly, Mullins became a frequent contributor to Conde McGinley’s newspaper, Common Sense.
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...Common Sense became increasingly outspoken in its statements of a pro-Nazi and anti-Semitic nature.
And here's a quote from Mullins' "pro-Nazi" Common Sense that connects directly to Alex Jones' own brand of the same thing:
A typical 1962 article in Common Sense is an "expose" entitled: "Zionist Invisible Government Plotting To Establish a World Government Under A Red Dictatorship Led By Asiatic Marxist Jews".
Just take the Jews out and write "NWO" and you have Alex Jones' headlines.
The following is a quote from Stromfront - the main nazi/fascist/racist website
it makes clear the point that a racist message can be conveyed without explicitly racist content being obviously present in the material itself.
The quote from Stormfront:
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For my part, in many cases with films such as The Money Makers and other documentaries, I don't really miss the direct pointing out of the culprits; after all, it's so obvious. Obvious enough for the Jews themselves, who realize very well that almost all 'conspiracy theories' (= bits and pieces of forbidden knowledge) in the end will point in one direction....
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=6831648&postcount=6
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YOu can jump up and down and defend Alex Jones by saying "It just isn't true!"........but IT IS TRUE.
The denial of that truth is.....disturbing.
Alex Jones occassionally refers to neo-Nazi's as "rat turd droppings"
and?
It seems you confuse fascism, nazism, and nazi sympathies. Salvadore Dali admired Hitler well into the 1950's, yet I dont think his biographies list him as a "Nazi"
"and"...well, you keep harping that he's Stormfront lite, yet he attacks neo-nazi's.
you quote from Stormfront, not listing the author, and declare that this indicts Jones???
that is absurd.
You quote from Stormfront, not listing the author, and declare that this indicts Jones???
That is absurd.
The dude at Stormfront illustrates that an audience is well capable of understanding symbolism - especially gross anti-semitism within conspiracism.
It doesn't have to be explicit. Indeed - likely positive steps need to be taken to distance one's self from even the mere symbols of prejudice - so powerful are they.
Right? Well, obviously you don't think so....but there we are.
You are mounting absurdities on top of absurdities....that quote is not related to anything Jones has ever said...it doesn't deal with Jones at all. Jones says neo Nazis are Rat turd droppings.
Your desperation, like your response selectivity, paranoia, and glaring ommissions, are all very obvious. You are not even trying to counter me anymore.
You need to get your head out your butt, and do the world a favor and help defuse the time bomb ticking in the mid east, before it blows up and kills us all. This is serious. Unqualified support for Israel is very very dangerous, stop playing martyr and blame games, time is running out for all of us.
anon: ....that quote is not related to anything Jones has ever said...
Rubbish! Of course it is.
The quote is ILLUSTRATIVE. Of what? Of the fact that coded anti-semitism is perfectly capable of being understood by anti-semites.
This is exactly the charge that I have been making against Alex Jones -- that he his peddling coded anti-semitism.
Whether he is conscious of it, or not.
And the fact is, there is very good evidence to suggest he is wholly cognizant of it. For example, the fact he will interview anti-semitic guests, and carefully avoid the guest's anti-semitism. The fact that he will interview people with close Nazi affiliations across 50 years and CAREFULLY AVOID THE TOPIC - instead venerating said Nazi-sympathiser as "a modern day founding father".
You deny all this - and instead pretend it's all "fine".
Then you proceed to go on to attempt to turn the conversation into one about Israel....
even though you acknowledge your position is a (white?) nationalist one - not one of solidarity with Palestinians (or anyone else).
even though you accuse Israel of being "nazi-like"........you defend Mullins' longtime affiliations with genuine Nazism.......
anon: Unqualified support for Israel is very very dangerous
But support for people whom venerate genuine Nazism is "fine"!!!
[btw - unqualified support for any present state or political undertaking would be foolhardy. silly.]
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so round and round we go.........
Let's forget (your hero) Alex Jones' veneration of Eustace Mullins - anti-semite and 50 year friend of Nazism?
Let's instead concentrate on"Israel"........
Ha.
How do people buy into this crap?
Silly ravings.
And Dali and Hitler? What a reference! ;)
If you fancy getting into why Dali liked anything, let alone Hitler, you're welcome to try. A fool's errand imo.
What was it that Dali found so "impressive" about Hitler? And why do you suggest Dali was never considered "fascist"? Dali wasn't particularly liked by the Surrealists, for example. I'm sure we could find a spread of opinion about Dali's politics (if he really had any) whereas you suggest your source is a supposed consensus...... And both Spain, and France had art-scenes susceptible to the fascism around them. Artists weren't - and still aren't - immune. So what?
The point is - the story about Dali isn't told by simply saying "he was fascinated by Hitler - but wasn't considered a Nazi."
As I said, imo, assessing Dali's views on anything is next to pointless. But we're supposed to be doing that to the topic at hand - Alex Jones. Right?
And yet there's a will to avoid doing so......anonymous people just seek to defend him, and to instead turn criticism toward Israel.
I would just draw attention back to the fact that Alex Jones poses as an anti-fascist......yet promotes and venerates personalities of modern day North American fascism.
Alex likes to claim he's against "racism".
Yet Alex promotes Reverend Pike, whom has a column at David Dukes' WhiteCivilRights website and also a spot at Willis Carto's AFP.
If Alex were really SOOOOOO anti-racist then wouldn't he mention it when he's talking to the Reverend Pike? Instead of fawning over him and giving him coverage, prmoting his articles, his agenda, campaigns?
Likewise if Alex Jones is SOOOOO anti-fascist why doesn't he raise it with Eustace Mullins (whom has close Nazi affiliations spanning 50 years)?
WHY doesn't Alex mention these things to his interviewees if he "DA MAN"? he has his chance to confront racism and fascism face-to-face.......and yet rather than criticise he chooses to applaud them!
Is that what his audience wants?
You tell me?
I am saying some of his audience do NOT want him to do that. But how are they going to find out Alex's guests are tight with racists and nazis? Alex won't tell them - instead he says "they're fighting the good fight". Alex LIES to his audience - in the service of fascism and racism: by avoiding addressing his guests actual views and by avoiding bringing them to the attention of his audience (whom he claims to be seeking to inform).
On the other hand......much of Alex Jones' audience understand fully well AND SUPPORT what Eustace Mullins, Willis Carto, Reverend Pike and David Duke represent. And they understand fully well why Alex doesn't mention it, nor criticise it - just as they understand WHY Alex celebrates and promotes these people.
It would take a very careful approach to successfully negotiate a path between those two camps, whilst keeping them both reasonably happy. That's one objective reason why I think Jones must be conscious of exactly what he is doing.
There's a chance it could just be the result of market forces.....but I don't think ALex is only materially driven.
Alex is either just a bit dim and really doesn't know what he's doing (which is how he appears to me), or he's a very smart operator who knows EXACTLY what he is doing. (Which is what I tend to think is the truth of the matter)
Consider how they handled the Poplawski thing?
They lamely denounced Poplawski's racism and nazism whilst trying to pretend Poplawski held views "directly opposed" to those of Jones and Prisonplanet.
But what of Poplawski and Mullins! And Von Brunn and Mullins! Von Brunn even tried to take the FedRes hostage for chrissakes! Try and find things they disagreed on? It's more difficult (impossible?)
If Poplawski and Von Brunn venerated Mullins - as does Alex Jones - how can Jones claims Poplawski's views are "180 opposed" to his own?
They would all surely have agreed that Mullins was "a hero". That isn't disagreement - let alone total opposition.
Jones' weak denunciation of Poplawski's views was perhaps felt to be essential to protect Jones from the associations. He could hardly embrace them publicly could he?
What a nasty cynical piece of work it is.
....surrealist ire towards Dalà had less to do with his greed, and far more to do with his dubious political opinions.
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It is a fallacy to think Dalà "remained apolitical" while Spain was cut to ribbons by fascist bayonets. Silence sometimes masks complicity, and this was confirmed when Dalà pledged in 1939 his full and unwavering support for the fascist dictatorship of Francisco Franco. That pledge to Franco resulted in Dalà being thrown out of the surrealist movement for good, but his 1939 painting The Enigma of Hitler (which now hangs in the Museo Nacional Reina Sofia, Madrid) also contributed to his expulsion. Dalà had inserted a small portrait of Adolph Hitler in the barren surreal landscape.
The prior year had seen the whirlwind of anti-Semitic hatred known as Kristallnacht (Night of Broken Glass) explode in Germany. Hundreds of Jewish synagogues were torched, thousands of Jewish businesses were looted, and 30,000 Jews were sent to the concentration camps of Dachau, Buchenwald, and Sachsenhausen. Against that appalling backdrop Dali dared to portray Hitler as an "enigma." The surrealists could no longer put up with Dali's conduct and decided to expel what they considered a reactionary impostor from their ranks.
http://www.art-for-a-change.com/content/essays/dali.htm
If it's good enough for Andre Breton and Tanguy, it's good enough for me!
The Jackboot of Dada
Salvador Dali, Fascist
By VICENTE NAVARRO
http://www.counterpunch.org/navarro12062003.html
Hmmm.
Your descent into paranoid hysteria is quite amusing.
gee - ain't that something!?
getting called "paranoid hysteric" by an Alex Jones supporter........
wow.
So - no response to Poplawski? No response to Mullins? No response to Pike? Not even a response to Dali.....and his expulsion from the Surrealists.
I've yet to come across a single Alex Jones supporter with any genuine integrity. Do they exist, or are they all like Jones himself - dishonest and manipulative adherents to views they know the wider public finds abhorrent?
I challenge anyone to read Hofstader's "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" and fail to find it very well describes today's Troofers and its proponents such as AJ in particular. There's no doubt AJ and 911Troof fit into Hofstader's description - but don't take my word for it, read it yourself? I mean, it's simply true.....isn't it?
Given Hofstader, it's interesting that so much of Alex Jones' audience is fascist and Nazi....some quite overtly so.....even as Alex Jones makes a deal out of his supposed anti-racism and anti-fascism. There's an odd sort of dualism there.....
Maybe it's because Alex Jones says a lot of things that fascists like to hear? that he promotes guests and agendas that fascists support......etc.
Of course that's true.
But then it leaves Alex Jones' (and his supporters') claims of "anti-fascism" looking completely out of place.....
This is either purposeful......or unintended.
If unintended - then Alex is just so dim that he genuinely believes socialised healthcare is "fascist" and Eustace Mullins is "a modern day founding father". The confusion can only be unintended if Alex doesn't know what he is talking about - if his definitions of "fascism" and "social democracy" are totally screwy.
If purposeful - then Alex knows what Mullins and Willis Carto represent, and he promotes it - albeit in a form shorn of its more obvious and reprehensible characteristics. (AJ is trying to mainstream the views, after all.) Thus AJ defends fascism by wilful mis-definition of fascism - he claims it is characteristic of his targets.....even when his targets are democrats, liberals, progressives, socialists, ecologists..... On the flip-side of these wrongful accusations of fascism against liberals and democrats, we have his implicit denial of fascism through his indulgence of guests from the far-right whose very close and longstanding ties with nazism are whitewashed away. This is a deceit of his audience and an effort at legitimising the contents of fascism - whilst de-faming the enemies of fascism for being "fascist".
How wacko must one be to imagine these people and their fascist tendencies are going to help produce a solution to anything - let alone the Israel/Palestine conflict?
How stupid can people be?
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To anonymous and the sentiment that we should turn our attention to Israel instead of Alex Jones.....
Did you know Alex Jones called the Israeli separation wall "Beautiful!".......
Did you know he said it made him salivate?
You know he said he "Wanted one!" -- Across the Mexico border......?
AJ - Alex Jones
MS - Michael Shrimpton
152. MS: Well I was very impressed with the way the IDF ran check-points. I talked to a check-point commander in Jenin, for example, very impressed with what I saw; very impressed with the security fence which is clearly having an impact in those sectors of the West Bank where it’s been erected.[Inaudible]
153. AJ: Well I know this. We sure need one of those on the southern border of the US.
154. MS: [Laughs]
155. AJ: And I want one. That thing’s beautiful.
156. MS: Well I think your southern border is a bit porous and as we’ve seen on 9/11, porous borders can present dangers. And er –
157. AJ: Well I’m not kidding, I’ve literally seen photos of that thing and I start salivating on it.
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163. AJ: Well certainly they know how to build a fence and I wish we had one of those.
164. MS: [Laughs] The fence is very impressive. It’s more than a fence of course, it’s a, you’ve got a ditch, you’ve got a roadway that allows regular patrolling, easy access to any terrorist incursion, good surveillance, some good, high-tech stuff there. The security barrier is a very impressive development.
http://seanbryson.com/articles/dr_david_kelly_michael_shrimpton.html
That's horrifying. The guy can't handle thumbscanning, but apartheid walls are fine 'n' dandy. OMFG.
If Jones strongly endorsed the infamous wall the Israelis have built, then that makes him a stridently pro-Jew Zionist to some, and merely pro-Israel and security to others, or something in between.... you decide. But he's a barely closeted anti-Semite according to you. You listed an example that puts you in a box...I would like to hear the statement myself to learn more...
you mis characterized my Dali comment- I wasn't saying that he wasn't consider to be a fascist, I said he wasnt usually considered to be a Nazi, even if he admired Hitler. Again, you seem to fail to recognize the difference between classical fascism, Nazism, and being sympathetic to such.
Isn't the owner of the radio station Jones airs on Jewish? isn't his co-host Jewish? aren't his wife and his kids Jewish? (that is unconfirmed, though)...
you live in a fantasy world where, If Jones became president, hed make Jews wear yellow arm bands and he'd bring back Jim Crow...this is absurd- Jones is always criticizing the expansion of police powers and rails against what he perceives to be plans for 'eugenics'...he constantly rails against racism which he says emanates from the power elite, to balkanize the population, he constantly says that racism is a trick or plot to divide and conquer the people....he said Poplawski was attacking him, when the media lied to say the opposite...people like poplawski make threats against Jones all the time.
you are constantly getting things mixed up...you initially confused credit with usury, then seemed to belittle people who are burdened with high credit card bills...then you totally glossed over the constitutional issues involved in the hate crimes bill....then you mocked a persons right to take legal action over slander or libel issues...while you denied international cartels and oligarchies and the harm they often do, by asking if I was referring to "faeries"...you very sarcastically offered platitudes about the Mid east, instead of condemning the creation of the gulag in the occupied territories....
I have absolutely to problem with Jewish Supremacists speaking in any forum or venue, they never need to announce or have it announced as a disclaimer beforehand that they believe something like 'God gave Palestine/Israel to the Jews', or something like that...I dont have to have any disclaimers.....I also dont need any disclaimer when a communist speaks..or a monarchist, or liberal or whatever..Whenever west va. senator Byrd spoke, no one needed to remind me that he was once a Klansman
..Even bankers and CEO's can speak, I dont need to be told beforehand about their documented atrocities .I will simply listen to what they have to say, and judge for myself.
Since ive already expressed this idea, and you conspicuously failed to comment on it at all, then its too late now for you to do so without causing damage to your weak cause.....If Mullins went on the air to call for another Beer Hall Putcsh, or if he wanted to repeal the Bill of Rights and scrap our elections, then maybe we might want a heads up before he spoke, so we could send the ninnies out of the room. But if hes just speaking about finance or economics, I dont need a warning label. You have a double standard; I find your attitude odious.
Jones listener ship is much more diverse than you imagine. On top of that, I have heard jones refer to Mullins controversies or checkered past.
I could not care less for the schoolmarmish, prissy, squealing, skirt- clutching, sissified, feminized, pansified, preening moral vanity of your vile and anti -human cultish political correctness.
I could not care less for the schoolmarmish, prissy, squealing, skirt- clutching, sissified, feminized, pansified, preening moral vanity of your vile and anti -human cultish political correctness.
LOL - political correctness!?
ha
shutup, you berk?
Else, if you're so familiar with your "classical fascism" and it's distinguishing characteristics from Nazism.......maybe you'd like to explain......and maybe you'd care to explain where Jones and his guests such as Mullins and Carto fit into your description of the landscape of fascism?
Rather than just wholesale denying its presence?
Until you can place Jones and his friends in that sphere - or make a case why they are definitely NOT in that sphere - then your suggestions you can tell "classical fascism" from "nazism" (and that Jones and co don't qualify) is hollow.
Prove otherwise? Be my guest?
And if Mullins' "economics" are part of a wider fascist agenda.....why isolate them from that agenda?
Why not make clear what the interests of the person making the argument are? Economics is not a pure science.....and moreover it's within the social and political sphere. Peoples' motives (and class, and ideology) are important - it isn't like doing pure maths. Perfectly reasonable concern to want to know if it's some fucking nazi talking or not. But hey! Why be prejudiced against Nazis, eh?
So come on then - tell us that Mullins hasn't been hanging with Nazis for 50 years? Tell us that Nazism - or "classical fascism" hasn't informed Mullins' worldview? Tell us it's completely unrelated to his "economics" and his "history"?
Why don't you put it in some perspective for us? You tell us how far away from fascism/nazism Jones and Mullins, Carto, Pike and Duke are? Please explain? It'd be nice if you could show what they share, and what they don't. That'd be really helpful. Thanks.
And are you going to then tell us it means "nothing" that Alex calls such a person as Mullins "a modern day founding father"?
Or tell us that it's irrelvant that Jones finds a hi-tech militarised separation wall "beautiful"? [Hey - "could have done with those in Warsaw!".....right? Ah - but that only condemns Jews......of course. Jones' erotica with the instruments of militarisation is bizarre. But nevermind, eh? Even after what you said to me about ISRAEL ISRAEL ISRAEL?]
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@SME - yes, isn't Alex a charmer? (Though apartheid is a very strong and disputed term. Is it really "apartheid"? I don't know.....I just wanted to make the point I don't necessarily agree with that term.)
If Jones strongly endorsed the infamous wall the Israelis have built, then that makes him a stridently pro-Jew Zionist to some, and merely pro-Israel and security to others, or something in between.... you decide. But he's a barely closeted anti-Semite according to you.
The two things are not mutually exclusive.
And don't expect consistency from fascists. Why expect that?
I already said that Jones might be only unintentionally transmitting classic anti-semitic tropes. Maybe he's dim, and just doesn't get it. Maybe he really believes social democrats and liberals are "fascists"?
Or maybe he's really only doing it for the money? For the acclaim?
There's too much evidence otherwise though - imo.
Else why would he so carefully and so consistently avoid the issues of racism, anti-semitism and fascism/nazism throughout his interviews with guests with whom this should be an obvious topic?
How can Alex claim to be anti-racist and anti-fascist when he venerates Mullins, Pike, Carto, Rivero et al?
HOW???
It's a rhetorical deceit to declare one's self as opposed to anti-semitism when one publishes whole catalogues of sources whom are. Especially when you're peddling classic anti-semitic tropes........and when you're chanting "the world is going to end"......that "THEY" are responsible for it......that there's a giant conspiracy....blah blah blah.
Go and have a look for Chip Berlet's "Toxic to Democracy". It spells out the idea.
Isn't the owner of the radio station Jones airs on Jewish? isn't his co-host Jewish? aren't his wife and his kids Jewish? (that is unconfirmed, though)...
Funny how that's important to you, and seemingly known to you.
Only, is it even true?
Let alone what does it matter?
If you have any info on Ted Anderson, head of GCN and Midas Gold......I'd love to hear it.
And errr.....seeing as Jones' wife's background is so important - I'll tell you what -- why don't you answer my question about YOU........are you a white nationalist? A "classical fascist"? A nazi? If not, why not?
Another thing.........
Alex Jones' use of scam advertisers.......
such as the heavily promoted FDRS....
Below you can submit your DAMAGES due to the FDRS fraud.
Go and read what happened to people whom followed Alex's advice.........by subscribing to his "personally endorsed" advertisers' scam?
http://liarsandcheats.info/fdrs-mark-cella-debt-elimination-fraud/submit-your-damages/comment-page-1/#comment-11
eg:
My Wife and I enrolled 4 credit accounts with FDRS in Aug 2008 , we were defrauded out of $7000. My wife was served a notice she was being sued by one of the creditors , and the poor Answer and false legal documents provided by FDRS were completely inadmissible. During this time period we were given bad legal advice by FDRS, they would not let us speak to the attorney that was promised in the agreement, as well as lying about the credit repair that was also in the agreement. My wife’s credit suffered, which prevented us from refinancing our home.
After reading your orginal blog about this company, we decided to hire a real attorney who is representing us in regards to the lawsuit put forth by on of our creditors. We decided this because of the constant false promises and lies by FDRS, and most importantly my wife is pregnant and was put under tremendous stress due to this encounter. It has been frustrating trying to find a competent attorney to sue FDRS hopefully the results of this blog will have better results than we’ve had.
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"My demand to GCN president Ted Anderson to remove FDRS ads
Subject: Ted Anderson is PURE TOXIC SCUM
Dear Mr. Liesch:
Please forward this message to Mr. Anderson.
My 8/25/08 request to remove all references to FDRS was ignored.
I just heard Mr. Anderson’s gold pitch on the Alex Jones show and I am APPALLED.
Ted Anderson is now at the TOP of my list of vile and corrupt Americans.
I can’t blame the bank executives for doing their job: to make as much money as possible regardless of who gets hurt.
However, Ted Anderson is WORSE than all of them together. He preys on the most vulnerable and desperate, PRETENDING to be on their side. GCN is based on lies and deceit.
Mr. Anderson, please IMMEDIATELY order all advertisements for FDRS removed.
Aren’t you worried about a class action by FDRS victims against GCN and maybe even ABC after FDRS is bankrupt?
Very truly yours,
Christine Baker
posted at [this URL]
http://fdrs-debt-elimination-scam.info/fdrs-fraud-blog/2008/10/demand-to-gcn-president-ted-anderson-to-remove-fdrs-ads/
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Debt Crisis Solutions - another Ted Anderson / GCN / Alex Jones promoted fraud
http://trado.info/content/debt-crisis-solutions-another-ted-anderson-gcn-alex-jones-promoted-fraud
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hmmmmm
You sound hysterical again...you need warning labels on speakers, when I dont. I'm a thousand times more tolerant than you.
What's really going no here is that you dont like Jones and his guests being on the air. You'd pull the plug if you could.
I clearly demonstrated how your debate skills and attempts to refute have been either weak, ocassionally non- existent, inane,or extemely tengential.You keep proving me right.
Judging from all that youve said, or what you won't to say, we can only think that you are an intolerant bigot, with undemocratic and even fascistic and rascist tendencies, on top of being a crybaby.
Youve been attacking a mirror all along.
(I can't wait for your shrill response. You will probably blame it on the headache you got from reading Voltaire )
No, you're mistaken. I don't need "warning labels"...we're talking about honesty and integrity.
Jones lies to his audience by omitting to inform them of his guests' actual views.
And those views just happen to be fascist, racist, even Nazi.
That's some cause to be benefiting, eh? Understandable why he is quiet about it......hmmm.
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I notice you don't ever answer any questions, anon.
Are you a white nationalist? If not, why not? Easy enough question.
And please explain your "classical fascism", the difference with Nazism, and where exactly ALex Jones, Mullins, Carto and co come into this description.
Be my guest. You were confident and condescending about the topic - so let's have the benefit of this wisdom you claim to possess. But no -- just silence and more condescension. Ho hum.
Let's go back to an earlier point, where someone said Stiglitz was "worth listening to".....and that he had featured on Alex Jones' show.
Sure.......but the point about Stiglitz is that his position is one that IS ACTUALLY IN OPPOSITION to that of Alex Jones.
Joseph Stiglitz feels depressed. Having been a voice in the wilderness urging caution when financial capitalism was in a speculative frenzy, he wants the crisis to be the catalyst for radical thinking. But he fears it won't be: Greece is being forced to cut its deficit, the bankers are behaving as if nothing has changed since August 2007, and the political running in the United States is being made by the right-wing anti-state Tea Party.
"There was a moment of euphoria when we were all Keynesians," he said in an interview to mark the publication of his new book.* "Those ideas were working and every government stood behind them. It was not just Keynesian macro-economic policies, it was the need for regulation and the recognition that economics had failed."
Since those heady days of optimism a year ago, when unprecedented government action hauled the global economy back from the brink of a new Depression, Stiglitz says two things have happened to derail prospects of change. "Plans to re-regulate the financial markets have run into a political quagmire and there has been a resurgence of deficit fetishism."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/feb/12/joseph-stiglitz-economics-credit-crunch
As if Alex Jones ever stood for Keynesianism! lol. That beggars belief!
And yet Jones' stooges seemed to imagine Stiglitz as one of their own.
This is how manipulative and distorting the lens of PR-IS-ON-PLAN can be.
It is the opposite of education...... Will Jones have Stiglitz on again, so Stiglitz can attack Jones and his supporters (eg the TeaParty crew) for their anti-keynesianism? No - Jones would rather prefer his audience mistakenly imagine Stiglitz is "on our side".
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Anyway - anon - let's have your answer? Let's have some of your insight into the distinctions between "classical fascism" and nazism.....and err....american ultra nationalism? And let's see where Jones Mullins Carto et al fall in your fascist political landscape? And are you a white nationalist? A nazi sympathiser? or what?
Here's a Prionplanet article - by Alex Jones' political hero......Ron Paul.
Keynesianism?
RP: leading Keynesian economist Paul Krugman .... continues to misleadingly blame the free market and supposed lack of regulation for the economic chaos.
It's not misleading when Alex publishes and broadcasts it? lol
The Austrian free-market economists use common sense principles.
Ah - of course! Nothing like Stiglitz's keynesianism though.
You cannot spend your way out of a recession. You cannot regulate the economy into oblivion and expect it to function.
But that's exactly opposite of Stiglitz......right?
RP: ...this fatally flawed, but widely accepted, economic school of thought called Keynesianism....
But here's Stiglitz: There was a moment of euphoria when we were all Keynesians. Those ideas were working and every government stood behind them. It was not just Keynesian macro-economic policies, it was the need for regulation....
haha
http://www.prisonplanet.com/keynesianism-delivers-a-decade-of-zero.html
This was primarily about you being upset about Mullins speaking without a warning label...Jones allowed Mullins to speak on some economic issues. You just dont want Mullins to speak out at all.
Unlike you, I dont mind if Jihadists, Communists, Jew Supremacists, Klansmen, or the last_name_left speaks...they can do so without flashing caution lights... If they speak and dont call for the overthrow of the government and they dont advocate for innocent people to go into camps...etc...then people should not be so upset that they insist on the warning labels....
When AJ once got a call from a neo Nazi type , Jones challenged him to a physical fight and cursed him out.
Its not my job to take you back to school to teach you political science 101. I guess you are too lazy to learn on your own...Ive never read anything by Mullins, but because of you, I will.
There are about 300 million people in the US...when the Jones show airs, he reaches about 2 million of them, and when he doesn't put a warning label on a guest, you crap your pants.
You just want your own viewpoint presented; you'd pull AJ's plug if you could, you are an intolerant bigot.
Bringing up Keynesians is just you shifting again.
How dare you insinuate that I'm some sort of Nazi...you don't know anything about me...I only have two close "white" friends, the others are either Jewish or black. My girlfriend is African American...You have a lot of gall with your innuendo...if you were to say that stuff to me in a bar, you would go home minus several teeth. Youre just a lowlife creep.
You have a lot of gall with your innuendo...if you were to say that stuff to me in a bar, you would go home minus several teeth. Youre just a lowlife creep.
yeah, says it all.
:D
Oh - and who is being presumptuous, Mr Big Man? You know you'd knock my teeth out?
Why don't you go and ask your "jewish and black" friends what they think about Alex Jones, Mullins, Willis Carto and Reverend Pike? And ask them how they feel about people having close affiliations with Nazis for 50 years......?
If you haven't already asked then you're being presumptuous, again.
I'd be interested to hear their voice. It'd be.....interesting.
I mean, I can get you plenty of "black and jewish" (and white/atheist/socialist) voices who would readily criticise Alex Jones......maybe not in the exact terms I do.....but nonetheless.
What difference does your friends' ethnicity and religion make now? None.
(And that's even if you are being honest. I mean, it's pretty old porridge isn't it? To say "even some of my best friends are jews" etc.)
Hey - your friends are important........but Alex Jones' Nazi friends aren't? Oh right.....some double standard.
Political views are distinct from ethnicity - you know? Hmmm....or don't you know? Maybe you don't.....
How dare you insinuate that I'm some sort of Nazi...
Anyone who supports Alex Jones has to be suspected of it tbh. Who else would defend ALex Jones' use of Mullins, Carto, Pike, Rivero and all the rest of that crew. The JBS is lame stuff for these guys. So....
And who else would defend Jones' use of tired old Nazis peddling tired old JBS conspiracy bullshit?
Made with all the old euphemisms for joooos?
It's hardly a socialist enterprise...... Any "socialists" or "lefties" into ALex Jones need to do some serious headwork.
anon: Ive never read anything by Mullins, but because of you, I will.
Have fun. Oh lordy.
people should not be so upset that they insist on the warning labels....
Don't be so silly.
Words are labels. And I could take your point more seriously if Alex Jones showed the least sensitivity about it. He doesn't. Alex's game is about labelling......and one of my main points is that he labels and demonises a certain (vaguely defined and amorphous) group as being responsible for everything bad. The language he uses to LABEL these groups are time-worn anti-semitic euphemisms.
That alone is something.......yet we have to add-in the FACT that Alex Jones also promotes a range of far-right, racist, anti-semitic personalities. All whilst white-washing these characters of their long-standing presence and influence in the North American fascist movement.
FACT.
I find you incredibly naiive if you just want to pass all that off as "harmless entertainment"......and "sometimes interesting".
Unlike you, I dont mind if Jihadists, Communists, Jew Supremacists, Klansmen, or the last_name_left speaks...they can do so without flashing caution lights... If they speak and dont call for the overthrow of the government....
You're being presumptuous again.
And obviously you don't understand what fascism and neo-nazism are about. Nor what Alex Jones, the patriot and 911 Troof movements are about.......
"As long as they don't call for the overthrow of the government?"
What do you think they are calling for, for chrissakes?
Go here: www.stormfront.org and start reading? Then go back to PP and AJ and start reading?
Come on?
They are not only saying that the government needs replacing.....they are saying the entire system is corrupt. How can you not understand that, and yet come here defending Alex Jones from my criticism?
How come you show here arguing as you do, and yet you don't even know this?
When AJ once got a call from a neo Nazi type , Jones challenged him to a physical fight and cursed him out.
Yeah......some of his best friends are jews......right?
I have never disputed that Alex Jones makes a BIG SHOW of being anti-fascist - he does. Just as he likes to try to make a big show out of being anti-racist.
But it's all a shallow fraud.
If he were anti-racist then Pike's associations with Willis Carto's AFP and David Duke's WhiteCivilRight website would be the first questions Alex wanted to ask the Reverend Pike.
Alex NEVER ASKS.
If Alex Jones were really an anti-fascist, he would have concerns about Eustace Mullins' 50 years of affiliation with genuine Nazism. He wouldn't ignore it entirely, and declare Mullins to be "a modern day founding father".
Simple.
That Alex Jones denies he's anti-semitic, racist and/or fascist has nothing to do with the objective facts of whether he is or not.
As I explained above - the facts speak for themselves, regardless of what Alex Jones (or his suppporters) might say.
Its not my job to take you back to school to teach you political science 101.
Awwww - and you sounded so confident too.
You seemed to make out it was a simple task......you scorned my failure of comprehension......"classical fascism" vs Nazism. And now, given the chance to make the subject clear, and win prizes for your erudition, suddenly you hesitate.....
Awwww. I kinda guessed it wouldn't be forthcoming.
Shame.......as it would be so helpful to the discussion too.
Such an easy thing, and you can't be bothered. Ah......by their fruits shall you know them?
[Most anyone who goes jumping around claiming that fascism is a super-easy thing to describe and demarcate likely doesn't know what they are really talking about.]
when he doesn't put a warning label on a guest, you crap your pants.
Hmmm - but what about "globalist statanist" as a description for Noam Chomsky? Come on? You can't have it both ways.
Alex's whole spiel is about labelling. Good and bad. Absolutely. That's how you demonise people. Alex has a range of shifting targets......they're vague and in flux.....but they're "the evil" at "the root of it all". More often than not, Alex's language of denunciation takes the form of time-worn anti-semitic tropes.
PLUS - much of his audience already UNDERSTANDS the euphemism as anti-semitism.
PLUS - he indulges anti-semitic and racist guests as "experts" in various fields. He endorses them as venerable people......deliberately avoiding their racism, fascism and even Nazism.
You just want your own viewpoint presented; you'd pull AJ's plug if you could, you are an intolerant bigot.
I loathe Alex Jones and his views. True.
But........I want to shut him up?
I have been arguing that Alex lies by OMISSION. He doesn't SAY ENOUGH about his guests.......he doesn't explain their position.....its relevance....
It's you whom has been arguing that Mullins' past "needn't be" mentioned! I wanted MORE information, not less.
Incidentally, "freedom of speech" is another avenue of liberalism exploited by Nazism for its own ends. Check out radicalpress/Arthur Topham being helped by Paul Fromm as an example of the principle.
Bringing up Keynesians is just you shifting again.
Yes.....but don't mistake it as an effort to avoid something. I'm just adding to the charges against Alex Jones......building a characater profile, if you will?
Persistent patterns.......see?
So.........
1) you don't know anything about Mullins and his work at all.......but you defend Alex Jones' promotion of him and his work?
2) come on, give us the fascism 101?
3) what are your own views, if not white nationalist/fascist/nazi?
(I'm a socialist. see.....easy?)
no, youre really just a pig with your head up your ass.
Hitler claimed to be a socialist too. You two have lots in common.
the less charitable amongst us might conclude you have something to hide.
You won't give your own views.....you won't clarify that which is apparently simple.....
Hitler claimed to be a socialist?
Is this your political 101 offering? lol
No wonder you refuse to expound.
Notice that once again we have this use of Hitler as a fearfull icon......whilst actual committed Nazis get a free-pass.
You think I must "have a lot in common" with Hitler......and that makes me "really bad", apparently. Yet Alex Jones' guests affiliations with genuine nazism and their anti-semitic world conspiracy rubbish is......fine.
Hmmmm.
I don't think you've made headway with any of your objections.
You even admit you know nothing about Eustace Mullins......so what is your argument, really?
Come on? What is it that you're actually defending here? Your own views (which just happen to be a secret, apparently)? Or those of Mullins? Or those of Jones? Or what?
The simple fact is Alex Jones employs the lingua franca of euphemistic anti-semitism......and endorses a whole panoply of guest and opinion which are from the far-right of the political spectrum.
FACT.
What is your objection to any of this?
The ADL (and the moderator of this blog) agree that Jones is not an anti-semite. The ADL backed away from that idea. He's not advocating any Pogrom, no new crytalized night,no labor and death camps for anyone, no racial laws to keep certain people apart, no yellow arm bands, no discrimination for anyone, none of that stuff.
He is not really referring specifically to "The Jooos" (your own disrespectful term) when he mentions globalists or whatnot. You need to figure that out. That might be hard for you to do, since your a know- it- all and everything, but Im certain you can do it. Its unfortunate that he has a few guests on (out of hundreds or even thousands) who have some sort of Nazi, fascist, or neo nazi leanings or associations, but they might have something to say that is apart from these asociations. These guests dont come on the show to promote racial laws or crystal nights, etc. They dont come on to advocate race war or tensions. They come on to talk about other topics that are not about a return of a greater Germany, count Gobineau, or any of the Nazi parties original 25 points, Franco's phalange, Mussollini's squads -of -action or corporate state, or his official state philospher, Mr. Gentile.. etc.. They wont even mention Julius Evola or Ernst Junger's earlier writings.... They come on to discuss other things, such as the idea that the Federal government might be engaged in legal over- reach in some of its attempted(?) policies...when this happens, its not necessary to announce that a guest has a past.
If a speaker was arrested for wife beating or check forgery, and came to my local university to speak on the taxe code, mentioning his past would not be necessary. Likewise, a discussion of the rightness or not of the practices of the Federal Reserve... is far enough removed away from Hitlers re-armament program (somewhat Keynesian, I might add. Essentially, to some).. or the final solution...as to not matter so much.
It might be an oversight that some would find unpleasant, but these people dont run the show. Having these few guests on the show, without the heads up, probably wont result in a a new Nazism taking over any time soon, so dont worry.
You keep misquoting me or misrepresenting me. You said I said "even some of my best friends..." I didnt say that...go back and read it again..and I never said that I didnt know anything about Mullins...I said ive never read him...I have read some about him...
Jones isn't anti semitic or any sort of fascist... He's interested in Constitutional rule ....Alex Jones is not advocating for the (violent) overthrow of the US government. His audience is much more diverse than you imagine.
The central government and bankers might, in the future, create a situation or scenario like that, though. Corrupt tyranny can reach a breaking point. but we are not there just yet.
You say all that, but what you are avoiding is a whole range of facts.
THIS:
In the 1980s and 90s, Mullins served as a contributing editor to the Christian Vanguard, a publication edited by the former information officer of the American Nazi Party, James K. Warner. The Vanguard is the periodical of the Christian Defense League, a Louisiana-based organization which combines elements of Nazi-fascism and the white racist Christian Identity religion. The neo-Nazi Aryan Nations has published Mullins' books, and Mullins has spoken at numerous Identity conferences, along with such notables as ex-KKK leader, David Duke. In the late 1990s, Mullins began to speak at meetings of the militia movement.
When do the ADL say Mullins is NOT anti-semitic?
I just got this from the first ADL reference to show for Mullins
Eustace Mullins, an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist active with the radical right for more than 40 years.
http://www.adl.org/holocaust/print.asp
You are entitled to believe this is all irrelvant....of course.
But nobody else has to. Others are quite entitled to believe your attitude to be one of complacency, if not one of outright protection and promotion of fascism. Why should we simply believe your suggestions otherwise? Because you say you have friends who are coloured, jewish whatever...? [Curt Maynard married a Mexican....so what?] Easy thing to say.....and you haven't anywhere denied your views are somewhere amongst what is reasonably considered the far-right. You won't even give your own position......even whilst you like to show-off your fascist "learning". So, frankly there's good cause to suspect you of being anti-semitic....far-right....fascist or nazi. You refuse to explain your position.....even as you defend Mullins against criticism of anti-semitism, and even as you stroke your ego over your fascist academe. Nazism isn't difficult to condemn.....who wouldn't condemn it? Therefore, when people (proudly, in your case) display knowledge of it and refuse to condemn it and/or distinguish themselves from it....then they are obviously suspect.
You come over as a fascist. Nothing says you're not.....
Whatsmore, you function to promote fascism.....(even if unconsciously) by supporting the promotion of its proponents into a more mainstream and legitimised position. That's my main point of criticism against Jones, remember?
I draw attention to the fact that your defence of Mullins and Alex Jones' promotion and veneration of him is the same defence that Mullins makes against his critics' accusations of anti-semitism.
I don't have to believe Mullins, and I don't have to believe you.
Nor does anybody else.
So.......seeing as you clearly don't believe "people need warning signs" when they are being sold fascism......
we can take it that you might personally prefer to keep the "warning signs" of your own fascism equally well-hidden. And doing so, you'd feel no sense of having lied to your audience.
That's what you are doing here, now? The same as Mullins does on Alex Jones.......right? Selling an idea (mainstreaming the far-right) whilst denying the actual fascist and racist core.
You've already acknowledged such behaviour as perfectly acceptable, and not even worthy of criticism. Indeed - you've attacked the critics for even making the point.
Hmmm.
You suggested you consider distinctions between "classical fascism" and "nazism" as very simple.
For someone with that supposed level of political discrimination and knowledge, it's funny then that you are unable to state your own position in a succinct form.
It's because you refuse to do so. lol Now why would that be......?
This is obvious:
Even with the internet, white supremacists have a limited audience due to their overt hatemongering.
The most traction therefore is obviously to be gained by minimising the overt hatemongering.
Stormfront Lite. The Protocols of the Elders of Israel. The NWO.
Alex Jones.
You shifted again...and- you inquired about political science. I can do the same number on Communism.
Its his show....
anyway...In the US, the term 'coloured' is usually considered offensive. Please refrain from its use,
Instead, use either 'black' or African -American.
In the US, the term 'coloured' is usually considered offensive. Please refrain from its use,
HAHA
You say this after defending Jones' use of Mullins, Carto and Pike!
Hilarious.
You seek to exploit political correctness whereas normally you'd abuse the whole notion, I don't doubt.
Why don't you just answer the simple question put to you?
Using your (self-proclaimed) intimate knowledge of "classical fascism" and Nazism....what are your own views?
Or would doing so give "an unnecessary warning flag"?
No readers of this blog need know whether you are a fascist, a nazi, a white nationalist or racist......right? So you don't feel an obligation to say.......right? Even when asked by a reader of this blog.........repeatedly.
The point (obviously?) is that your own perspective is your own......err.....perspective. I'm happy for people to accept my perspective is what it is......socialist. I'm not ashamed of it, and I don't see why people shouldn't know it. Likely they should know it.....so they know where I am coming from. Better understanding.....see? No - obviously you don't.
As I said, there's every reason to be suspicious of people who flaunt their learning of fascism even as they refuse to condemn it (in your case defending it), and especially when they refuse to give their own political position. (It isn't difficult). Suspicion is natural enough.....and you do nothing to dispel it. Over and over. Your choice......don't complain about it.
And you fit the mould of your own argument........that the public needn't be informed of someone's overarching, anti-social political ideology - even whilst they might be making arguments critical of the status quo.
It is perfectly reasonable to wish to know about the sources of criticism - it is perfectly reasonable to wish to know the parabola of intent of any political criticism. More so - it is ADVISABLE and NECESSARY to know.
But Anon prefers ambiguity. Who does that serve?
Nearly two weeks ago, Anon wrote about Palestinian cause:
You assumed I "cared", but I dont care in the way you assume.
I asked what that meant.......never had a reply.
My point was actually that you DON'T care.
And you replied saying you do "care", only in a different way to that which I'd assumed.
What did you assume I had assumed?
Your replies appear as "anonymous"......and you refuse to answer simple, direct questions. Then you're grumbling about "assumptions". lol
It's not an assumption that you occupy a position amongst the anti-semitic, racist far-right......it's a conclusion based on the evidence.
I can do the same number on Communism.
Good for you. That just happens to be (yet another) characteristic which qualifies you as extreme right-wing, paranoid, fascist........
It hardly disqualifies you, does it? Alone, the fact is inconclusive. But against the rest of your repertoire......
Hey - go ask your jewish friends what they think of your defending a dude who has written literary gems such as
# Jewish TV: Sick, Sick, Sick
# Jewish War Against The Western World
And seeing as "jews run the world".....maybe ask them what role they personally play?
One Aryan Nations newsletter (c. 1982), for instance, lists Aryan Nations founder Richard Butler and racist leader Dan Gaymen as "Christian patriots."
Alex Jones = Christian Patriot = Richard Butler
If there is no apparent difference.....then......there's no apparent difference.
Several racist fund-raising letters from the 1980s, such as those produced by KKK Grand Wizard Don Black, were addressed to fellow "White Patriots."32 By the 1980s, white "patriots" were also forming paramilitary groups similar to militias. For example, in the mid 1980s a militia-like group of racists called the Arizona Patriots were arrested and convicted of plotting to bomb several targets, including federal buildings in Phoenix and Los Angeles.33
The goal of white supremacists is to topple the U.S. government so an Aryan nation can be established. In CIM )Christian Identity) eschatology, the American government — supposedly under Jewish control — must collapse in order to bring about a race war (Armageddon). Out of this conflict God’s Aryan kingdom will emerge. CIM believers hold that they must violently establish a white republic, or else they will live as slaves under a one-world Jewish government. But until the early 1990s, CIM followers had neither the strength nor the funds to destabilize the federal administration. As racist Michael Hansen stated in 1982, "We are both OUTNUMBERED AND OUTGUNNED."34
A solution to this dilemma presented itself in the early 1990s when white supremacists realized that public dissatisfaction with the government had created a vast, untapped source of soldiers for their long-desired overthrow of the federal government: discontented nonracists. The plan entailed using millions of nonracists to form a unified revolt. To achieve their goal, racists/anti-Semites joined or formed "patriot" groups and militias, stirred up antigovernment sentiments, and spread conspiracy theories about the NWO.
http://www.equip.org/articles/the-patriot-movement
Your boorishness knows no boundary. Did it ever occur to you that there might be a direct personal emotional reason why I requested you to change your racial term?
Judging by your style, I guess your a woman. If true, I take back my crack about subtracting teeth, I apologize.
Its unwise to argue with fanatics.
My friends know my views.
Ive given information- look for me on your own blog, the comments for your recent Ocar Wilde post.
Know that I have my reasons...the world is stranger than we can imagine...I hope this closes the matter, I am unable to do much more for you just now...
Your boorishness knows no boundary. Did it ever occur to you that there might be a direct personal emotional reason why I requested you to change your racial term?
Sure.....
However, we still have the fact you are sensitive about this, and yet "fine" about Mullins.....Carto....Pike....Duke....
How come?
And no - you haven't "given information".......other than you believe Mullins et al on Jones' show is "fine"......and that I should concentrate on Israel.
You haven't given your own personal position. We're left to infer whatever we can.....
And what we see is you being "fine" about Mullins' anti-semitism and his 50 years affiliation with Nazism, and you're "fine" about Alex Jones publicising Mullins and his output.....but you feel "offended" at the use of the term "coloured".....
Bizarre.
I left the anon comments on your Feb 14 post for your blog (all of them, so far).
I thought that might help, but maybe not...
listening is not agreeing.
"The go away" ... I love it. Quite easy to think you've won when your adversary sees no point in you and "goes away". Gold.
You've got nothing to say this year. It'll be so easy to keep a tab on all the things you've skipped over if/when you decide to try to keep up with Jones. Good luck.
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