Friday, May 15, 2009


The Bilderbergers are meeting in Greece to plot more destruction, eugenics-by-stealth, general mayhem, etc. So Jones invited make-believe journalist and actual racist Jim Tucker back on the show for the umpteenth time to gripe about fascist overlords and filtered cigarettes. And some other guy came on to talk about being arrested in Athens. I mean, really. What is the world coming to when a guy can't even stand around outside a hotel for hours with a telephoto lens on his camera, trying to spy on people he's never met?

(Just as an aside, that guy has a far more interesting background than Big Jim; he and a friend took the Zack & Miri route to superstardom. They couldn't make a decent porno, but they got a half-decent book out of it.)


TK said...

I'm not that clear what Charlie Skelton thought would happen if her turned up, or why it's so outrageous there'd be security, and that they'd keep track of him if he wandered around acting a little suspiciously. His pieces in the Guardian are light, but he sounded quite upset on the Alex Jones show.

SME said...
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SME said...

I hope he doesn't become a convert to professional paranoia because of this. His coverage of the BG was better than Tucker's, because he didn't overlay his own messed-up worldview onto something he knows very little about.

TK said...

The most thoughtful and considered coverage of Bilderberg that I've seen is Jon Ronson's, in his book 'Them' and his documentary (which is on Google video) Secret Rulers of the World. He hangs around with Jim Tucker, but he also gets interviews with Bilderbergers (apparently some of them get a kick out of the conspiracy stuff). There are moments when he seems to be getting followed etc. when he's getting scared and annoyed, much like Charlie Skelton seems to be. I suspect anyone would feel the same way. Ronson also writes for the Guardian, and I suppose I thought Skelton must have some clue that there is security etc. from Ronson's own reports on the subject. Maybe that just doesn't stop it being unpleasant.

Apparently Conrad Black was at the meeting Ronson followed, which, given his current incarceration, is pretty demonstrative that the members of this group do not have unlimited power.

SME said...

The only truly disturbing presence at a Bilderberg meeting, IMO, was Ahmad Chalabi. And even his attendance doesn't tell me that the BG guarantees immunity to its attendees, because A.) Black, and B.) Chalabi remains on just about everyone's sh** list, whether the BG values him or not. Attendees are clearly not above the law, and do not necessarily have influence outside of meetings (at least not in the long term).

The notion that the BGers are dangerous to interlopers is silly; Tucker's coded phone calls haven't been necessary in three decades. Tight security is to be expected at any gathering of high-profile, affluent people - they know there are unbalanced people ready and willing to do them harm. I would argue that such people are more of a threat to the BG than the BG is to...anyone. (Tucker himself isn't dangerous, but his bizarre rhetoric could inspire and influence less stable enemies of the NWO to do something crazy. Look at the guy who snuck into Bohemian Grove, planning to take down child murderers. Jones et al are directly responsible for that sort of thing.) But I can understand why a journalist would be freaked by being tailed and observed closely. They're not used to being on that side of the fence.

Anonymous said...

Alex Jones doing what he does best:

SME said...

I remember that particular tantrum - his most sustained "AAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!" yet.

Obama's not perfect, but he's not the devil. I seriously don't understand why Jones hates him more than Bush, why he's devoting entire documentaries to him, why he thinks Obama will be the one to usher in the NWO. It's just bizarre.

But then, so much of what Jones does makes zero sense. If you're going to harp on health hazards, why not go after cigarettes or drunk driving or nuclear power instead of MSG and soy and tapwater and vaccines? Oh, that's right, Jones smokes. What about the other hazards, tho? Why must he fill his time with absolute nonsense while avoiding real problems?

TK said...

Jones does seem obsessed with Obama. I suspect it's because of the wave of popularity and hope that swept him to power - the very antithesis of what Jones wants people to feel towards the government they elect. Because if people feel they can make a difference by voting and participating in politics, they don't need Jones.

Far creepier than that tantrum was his 'sarcastic' high pitched sing-song voice, and actual singing, this weekend (I think it was this weekend, I heard it yesterday, and I think it's usually the previous day's broadcast I'm listening too.)
It made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, and the cat howl. Well, maybe not howl, but he looked at least as creeped out as me.

SME said...

*shudder* The singsong stuff is creepy. So is the sniveling, groveling voice that's supposed to represent the general population: "Oooh, the government loooves me, I'll take the vaccines with all the mercury, I'll eat all the MSG that makes me fat and take the fluoride that makes me stupid..." (Don't know about anyone else, but I have never in my life uttered the words "the government loves me".)

Attending a 9/11 Truth event about a month ago, I noticed during the Q&A that most of the audience members (95% white men) expressed nothing but misery, paranoia, and general discontent. They seem to love congregating so they can be miserable and angry together. I have almost 0 sympathy for this particular segment of middle-class Americans and Canadians - Jones' core audience. They think 5% tax increases are the end of civilization as we know it, and would probably be out rioting or lynching homosexuals if they didn't have YouTube documentaries to keep themselves occupied.

You want "slavery"? You want political disenfranchisement? Let's hop a comfy international flight, head to Uganda, and hang out with the little boys who have to sleep piled up in the middle of the road to avoid abduction by the LRA. Then we can sleep on the floor of a mosquito-infested hut for a week. At the end of that week, if we don't have any funky diseases, tell me again that clean municipal water supplies and effective vaccination programs are the tools of Satan, and that your government is the most corrupt in the world.

This may be harsh. I'll take it back if my mood ever improves.

TK said...

Personally, I'd send them on an exchange to North Korea, with explicit instructions to make and distribute videos and literature critiquing the government. Oh, and radio shows. And as it's an exchange, we'd be able to show the exchangees our police state, and ask them where we're going wrong.

I briefly posted on a Truth forum, just asking questions, as politely and as calmly as I could, and it was hard to tell, but I seemed to be the only woman posting at that point, although not the only sceptic. I don't think I've been on a forum that polarised before or since. Perhaps it's the lack of political and economic influence white middle-class men have, leaving them vulnerable and disenfranchised. They just can't get a break.

SME said...

I wouldn't mind shipping a few to jihadist training camps, where they may finally discover that yes, "19 cave-dwellers with boxcutters" can kick some serious a**.

The Truth movement is so full of conflict and paranoia right now, I think it could self-destruct within a couple of years. It's becoming impossible for Truthers to work together for any significant length of time, as a majority of them suspect all the others of being alphabet agency disinformationists.

There aren't many female Truthers, at least not prominent ones. I don't mean to be sexist, but that could be part of the problem - very few women to mediate disputes, curb aggression, discourage overly competitive behaviour, and encourage civility and respect. Sure, there are men who do's just not the same.

TK said...

The Truth movement is so full of conflict and paranoia right now, I think it could self-destruct within a couple of years.It's fascinating to hear that. For a while, forums I read that had absolutely nothing to do with scepticism, conspiracy theories etc. would get posts about Loose Change and discussions about 9/11. It seemed everywhere I went on the net, Truthers were there. That hasn’t been the case for a few years now.

I’m amazed it held together at all. In Europe the conspiracy theories about 9/11 were developed by the left, in the US it seems to be a feature of the right (I don’t know the situation in Canada). It’s an astonishing alliance.

If it does collapse, my guess is that it will rejuvenate with the next generation. We seem to cycle through conspiracies, UFOs, demons etc. as a society. They go underground for a decade or two and then burst back into mainstream view.

There aren't many female Truthers, at least not prominent ones.There’s probably a whole potential area of gender studies in that. From my own deeply unscientific observation, men seem more drawn to UFOs, cryptozoology and conspiracy theories, and women to astrology, mediums and ghosts (though men like ghost-hunting, and make popular mediums). I have no clue why this is.

SME said...

I used to think women were more prone to alternative health stuff, but lately (or is it just me?) men seem to be overloading that bandwagon as well. Maybe male Boomers are gravitating to quackery as they age?

What's interesting with the UFO/alien subculture is that men seem to dominate the nuts-&-bolts aspects (sightings, disclosure demands, ET theory, etc.), but the majority of alien abductees were and remain women. Hmm.

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